Wikipedia:Village pump

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Interwiki prefix

I opened bugzilla:25875 in order for us to get an interwiki prefix --Tobias 19:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks Tobias. Steven Walling at work 21:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

It is now done. Hydriz 15:13, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, c'me on. Can't we have ten as a prefix? This one is way too long. Elitre 21:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

mailing list

s'cuse my ignorance, but I couldn't immediately find a link to the mailing list I saw mentioned elsewhere on this wiki - could someone drop it in? :-) Privatemusings 22:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, glad you're interested! It, along with other details, are listed in the "Stay in touch" section of the Organize page. Be sure to subscribe soon if you want to hear more details about why we created this wiki and what we have in mind for planning, since I'm going to send an email shortly. Steven Walling at work 22:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

About Truth in Numbers? film

Is this film Creative Commons?. Where can I get a copy?. My problem is that the official website truthinnumbersthemovie.com seems don't work. Thanks in advance, --Elisardojm 23:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The film is not Creative Commons. Steven Walling at work 23:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh!, ok, and thanks!. Bye, --Elisardojm 01:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

If you want to screen it, I would ask how others are doing that on the Wikipedia X mailing list. Steven Walling at work 01:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if we could screen it, but now I'm interested on it, could you ask that on the mail list?. Thanks in advance, --Elisardojm 22:20, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess, without contacting the producers for a free copy, the most straight forward way is to buy the DVD in their webshop ([1]). --Bdamokos 22:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Why does the website says "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License", if the movie is not CC? Is it the website itself that is CC? In any case, I guess purchasing a DVD is the only option even if it is CC. --GoEThe 22:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe they made it CC after all. I just remembered from the screening at Wikimania they said that it wasn't, so they could've changed their minds... Steven Walling at work 22:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

But, if you buy the DVD you don't have permission to screen it on a envent, haven't you?. Almost, It works this in Spain... Other thing, that link doesn't works past days, somebody had to fix it this days. In terms and conds link I don't understand if the film has CC rights or Copyright, can sombody explain that?. Or that conditions are for the webpage?. (Sorry for my english). Bye and thanks in advance, --Elisardojm 09:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I remember there being a CC notice being flashed at the end, and it seems that the movie's terms and conditions clearly spell out that the movie is under the CCPL. We're hoping to screen the movie here in Manila for Wikipedia Day, but we'll just have to see how that will play out. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 04:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

For those who might be interested in this but did not suscribe the mailing list, Jimbo called a public screening of this movie a bad idea, a month ago. You can read the whole email here. --Elitre 12:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

There are two long sections of the movie that are just about the history of Wikimedia, and about Wikmiedians around the world, and those would make excellent screening material for any audience. I've seen the film twice now, and really appreciate this aspect of it. The other half of the film tells a somewhat stilted story from external interviews with academics and critics. I'm planning to show about 30 minutes from the film to a public audience, and screen the full 90 minutes for interested Wikimedians later at night. Sj 23:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

My understanding is that most parts of the film, from the script and 100+ hours of additional footage to the other material on the website, are going to be available under a cc-sa license right away, and that the film will be available under that license later on. I suppose we'll know more after the initial material is posted. Sj 23:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Truth in Numbers? screenings

The distributors have said that any wikipedians who want to screen the film, or view it online, will be able to (for free).

Please list any prospective film screenings to make sure that no interested event is left out. Sj 23:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist notice

FYI, I've proposed a watchlist notice on en.wiki. Go here to comment on the proposal. It would be great if people proposed similar notices for any other languages that may have a similar mechanism in place. Steven Walling at work 22:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Wrong URL

I've just noticed an error in File:10yrs handbook.pdf. The first page says that this wiki is located at 10.wikipedia.org which is neither the URL of this site or a redirect to here. Regards, Rock drum (talk • contribs) 17:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I got an email about that too. We'll try to fix it soon. Steven Walling at work 22:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Updating map of events and calendar?

How do we get our event on the map of events? It also seems that Organize should suggest categorizing your event with the date (to get on the calendar) and continent. -- NealMcB 22:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Editing the map seems pretty complicated, but we've been okay about adding events in due course. I'll go ahead and fix the Organize page. Steven Walling at work 22:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Boulder, Colorado is added on the map as well now. HenkvD 22:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!! --NealMcB 18:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Well I have asked to add Jaipur ( India ) in the map of events but i still cant find it in map. Apurva Tripathi 11:13 , 09 January 2011

Jaipur is added now. HenkvD 08:46, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Contacting local wikipedians

What are good and appropriate ways to contact local wikipedians? I guess the watchlist notice may be the best (that's how I learned about this). But I wonder what other options there are. A geographical watchlist seems possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Geonotice.js though caching may make that slow to take effect.

Is there a way to automatically process user ids in relevant categories (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Colorado) to find prolific active contributors so we can invite them on their user page? Are there bots suitable for this? Any good templates to use or advice for making them? --NealMcB 18:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki link to user page?

How do we make an interwiki ([2]) link from here to a user page on e.g. the english wikipedia? My attempts have all failed. --NealMcB 18:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

You want to use the equivalent of w:en:User:Rock drum with your username. Regards, Rock drum (talk • contribs) 19:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

law ,us and international

I would like to add points of law. Different countries constitutions and access to law of citizenry.

Sorry, what do you mean? Savh 21:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't...

...we make a template to ask for more information on events? For example, Aurora, ON. Savh 21:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Event deletion

Hey, so up until now, anonymous page creation has been turned on, which was clearly creating a problem with empty events. That's gone now, so let's be a little more slow to delete events that are only partially filled out. We should still probably delete completely empty events that sit for 24 hours without being edited by someone, but other than that, just leave a talk page message encouraging folks to fill out their pages and remove all the empty events from Template:EventList. Sound cool? Steven Walling at work 19:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought so too, so I created the category Events lacking information, with more or less the same idea. Savh 19:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea :) Addihockey10 22:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

As I have no clue how to request deletion on this wiki, I'll point out here that Houston was deleted, but Talk:Houston is still there. Cheers —DoRD (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

You could also add {{delete|reason}} to the page. HenkvD 13:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

@

This wiki shouldn't be a great hunting ground for harvesting bots, so it may be wise to periodically change all @-signs in email addresses into {{@}}. Anyone who could do that with a bot? Wutsje 10:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I will give it a shot later today. --Jyothis 12:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Wutsje. I've set up my bot to help there too. Can it be flagged, please, so that I can have high API limits and does not flood recentchanges? --Dferg 17:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Bot flag granted. Thanks. --Dferg 20:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

IRC

If anyone who's helping out with patrolling RecentChanges is interested, there's now a #tenwikiwatch channel on irc.freenode.net. Steven Walling at work 21:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you want to make me admin? We see changes to some pages on #wikimedia-northeast channel. Aude 21:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not actually an op there. Ask Jyothis? Steven Walling at work 23:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I want help about feedback for my page and to check if there everything is ok. I am organizing the event with very few resources and help and I want people from globe to help me out may be on some IRC channel to let me know if everything is going fine. Please mention the IRC channels also.Apurva Tripathi 11:17 , 09 January 2011

Celebration idea

Hey I think we could have a parade. The flag with a Wikipedia globe on it. A HUGE banner with the same image. IanP 22:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

No. Too much money. Too much planning. Fwiw, WP10 is over. --SEPTActaMTA8235 01:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

10th anniversary banners

This was cross-posted from the mailing list.

We're currently running a banner on English Wikipedia that links directly to tenwiki and is awaiting further translation. (We will also be translating the Main Page of tenwiki further. Let me know if you want to help with both those translation projects.) The priority here is threefold:

1. Educate people about the 10th anniversary in general.
2. Link to a comprehensive list of online and offline events so that people can choose the event that interests them.
3. Show people the enormously diverse number of things our movement is doing to celebrate.

Considering that we're only running the 10th anniversary messages for a week, we did not plan for a large number of different banner designs. However, if you're an organizing group that would like to run your own banner design or directly link to your event in your country, that is definitely welcome contingent on a few basic requirements:

1. Just to state the obvious, the banner needs to be localized fully and will only run for visitors in your country who are on the wiki the banner is localized for.
2. The banner will need to mention both the 10th anniversary (remember, most people have no idea it's happening) and that there are events to join. A banner that merely mentions a single party or other kind of event without context would fail to do justice to the anniversary and the other volunteers who have worked hard to make it memorable.
3. The banner can link to your event's ten.wikipedia.org page or a landing page elsewhere. To link directly to a page off tenwiki, that page needs to clearly mention and link back to the other events on tenwiki (so that people don't end up at a dead end if they don't find what they're looking for). If there are multiple events happening in your country, then whatever page the banner links needs to mention all of them.
4. You need to submit this banner directly to me so that we don't miss any submissions. If you want to put it on-wiki first and simply link to it in your email, that's great.

Let me know if you have any questions, Steven Walling at work 23:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

For Matrix fans ;) and not only. File:2001 knowledge's flight to the Wikipedia.png Przykuta 00:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Gratitude on 10th annivsry

Wikipedians,J Wales thank you thank you for Wikipedia and your support for 'open source for the good of all'.Thank you for making a significant growth in usage of the net and being part of the community that continues to build the net(I have benefited beyond measure!)I hope I can make a serious contribution too. Guest:-Elimaru

Ideas for what to do with tenwiki in the future

Hi everyone, so I want to open a discussion about the long term status of tenwiki. I’ve always considered it viable that we might merge or archive it in some fashion when the time is right, in order to reduce the overhead of maintaining a wiki that was specific to this year’s anniversary. There have been a lot editors dedicated to keeping the site working and free of spam/vandalism, and I don’t want to impose on everyone indefinitely for something that is event-specific.

Exactly how and when we do that is something I’d like your ideas on. A couple basic requirements for any option spring to mind:

1. The site should eventually not require daily maintenance from volunteers or staff
2. The contents of the site should be available in some format for posterity
3. The methods and lessons learned from the 10th anniversary should be carried forward in some way, so that people organizing events in the future can learn from it

In that light, I’ll started a list of the options I have heard mentioned or that I could think of. If you have new ones or comments on any particular idea, please be bold. I would, however, prefer to avoid a straw poll straightaway. Tenwiki isn’t so big we should have to resort to voting to determine consensus, in my mind, so at least for now let’s just lay out all the possibilities. Steven Walling at work 01:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Option 1: Merge with Meta

Merge the site into Meta, partially or wholesale. This is probably most desirable if we want to continue to work on some of the ideas or let people develop more events as 2011 continues, and has been suggested previously. However, it needs special thinking to fit tenwiki pages into the naming structure of Meta that already exists, so that there's no big conflict with current or potential pages not specific to the anniversary.

No, problems with links from outside, -jkb- 10:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Messy, probably a considerable amount of work to do it right. --Tobias 23:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

No. Meta is not a storage room. Meta is for coordinating Wikimedia projects. The content of this wiki is outside the scope of meta. Dferg 16:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 1.1: Merge with Meta into a new namespace

One sub-option for merging tenwiki into Meta is to create a new namespace specifically for events, or at least anniversary events. That way the current naming structure can mostly be preserved, but with "Events:" or "Anniversary:" etc. appended to it. The actual name for the new namespace is vague at this point, but this is one possibility that seems to fit the current structure of Meta well in all likelihood, and it makes it relatively easy for the energy and activities of tenwiki to be carried over.

• Seems like the most pragmatic option to me, and also the one allowing the broadest scope of positive future use. Some thought should be given to the specific namespace chosen, I think something like "Wikiday:" might allow future global wikievents on different themes, like art , history or science.--Pharos 08:27, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
  • No, problems with links from outside, -jkb- 10:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
• A considerable amount of work (e.g. make sure that tenwiki categories don't mess up meta's category system). From a more philosophical standpoint, I dislike this idea. Namespaces are used to separate different kinds of content, and you should only create a new namespace if the content doesn't fit into any namespace. In this case, the content fits in the main namespace (although I think we should just keep it separate) --Tobias 23:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
• No, as above. Meta is not a storage room. The content of this wiki is simply out of scope for meta thus can't be kept there. --Dferg 16:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 2: Leave ten.wikipedia.org intact, but make it read-only

Leave ten.wikipedia.org live as a read-only site by changing the configuration settings to disallow editing and account creation. This would mean any continued activity would have to be restarted on Meta or on another local wiki, but would both preserve the contents sort of like a "time capsule", while not requiring continued maintenance.

• I like this idea. --Dferg 22:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Further: I think this is the best option because: a) we will have no problems with links; 2) we will be keeping the content in a wiki dedicated to this topic; 3) we will not have to do large ammounts of work in doing content transfers; 4) it's the easiest option, we just need a system administrator to modify the settings of this wiki and all will be done. It's harmless, reversible and time-saving. Currently locked wikis can only be edited mainly by stewards and others like system administrators and Wikimedia staff members; however this can be changed. --Dferg 16:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
• +1 -jkb- 10:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
• Yes, this is a good idea. Hydriz 14:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
• +1 --SEPTActaMTA8235 18:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
• I likewise support this course of action. Ajraddatz 13:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 2.1: Leave ten.wikipedia.org intact, but make it read-only except for Stewards ('closed')

In InitialiseSettings.php there is an option to mark a wiki as closed, which makes it read-only, except that Stewards can still edit it. This should be fairly easy to do, just open a bug report asking for tenwiki to be closed, when you're ready :) --Tobias 23:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the input Tobias! This currently sounds like the most popular option when the time is ready... Steven Walling at work 23:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes for this too. Similar to "Option 2" above. --Dferg 16:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I support! --SEPTActaMTA8235 18:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm agreed with this one. No reason to move or delete content, which can remain here and acessible to anyone interested on it, but there will be no need of watching this project due to vandalism.” T_eleS (T _{M @ C G}) 07:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Option 3: Leave ten.wikipedia.org intact, but fully protect all pages

Ten.wikipedia.org would stay live, accounts could still be created, etc. but by fully protecting all pages, the site would become admin-only to edit (see Special:ListUsers/sysop). This would pretty much eliminate the small spam/vandalism problem that has been occurring lately.

where is the difference to the option 2? -jkb- 10:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Making the site read-only requires help from someone with shell access (i.e. WMF ops), and also prevents people from A) registering new accounts here and B) editing at all, including admins or bureaucrats. Fully protecting all pages is something we can do without ops, and only prevents people from editing if they're not an admin. Steven Walling at work 19:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I like this option. If we find information somewhere that should be removed, there are still some admins around who can help out. But since they do not produce any Spam (that's what I hope :)), it'll be almost no maintenance. --Tobias 23:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Now in favor of 2.1 --Tobias 23:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I like this one, with the caveat that adminship here should be given to anyone established on a related project, to maximise the utility of the wiki for coordination and eliminate the garbage. Courcelles 04:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

No. The ammount of work needed is overkill. Options 2 and 2.1 are easier and more effective. --Dferg 16:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 4: Dismantle the site and make the full history dump available as an archive

Delete the site entirely (freeing up the domain name again) and simply make the XML dump available to anyone interested in using the contents under its free license. This is probably the last resort option if merging into another wiki or making the site read-only are not doable.

NO NO NO. Overkill. --SEPTActaMTA8235 18:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 5: Move the site wholesale to a new domain for events or anniversaries

This would take a lot of work that may be overkill, but we could morph tenwiki into a separate wiki just for global event and anniversary organizing separate from Meta. This would avoid any problems with namespaces etc. but would require even more hands on community and operations work to choose things like a new domain name, logo, and so on.

So some of these options (2,3,4) mean that no more edits to the content can take place. As someone participating in a string of workshops that all get advertised here (because they are part of an initiative around the 10th year anniversary), that would make me sad. And I should add that the people doing the updating aren't admins, nor likely to be candidates for adminship here (for option 4). -- ArielGlenn 05:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

As I said in my email and in the intro above: we don't have to do anything before all the events are over. This is just a plan in advance. Steven Walling at work 16:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

No to option #4. I don't want any broken links to our wikixdc page. #2 or #3 would ensure the page stays, so I'm fine with that. Option #1 would be good, but make sure there are proper redirects from here to there. Option #5 could be awesome (global meetup calendar?) but not sure how well it would work. Willing to try things, though. Aude 05:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I hear you about broken links (I honestly hadn't thought of that issue yet). Thanks for the input Aude. :) Steven Walling at work 21:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

My personal thoughts, I think we should move ten.wikipedia.org to events.wikimedia.org and make all existing pages from here in the Ten: namespace. Addihockey10 03:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

That's a great idea, and there are some things (such as this) that might merit such an expansion. Steven Walling at work 19:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

This is my second-favorite after Option 1.1 (which would be something like a "Wikiday:" namespace on meta), but I'm not sure we really need Yet Another Wiki for this purpose. BTW, check out The Great American Wiknic, a sort of Wikiday idea for the USians among us :P--Pharos 04:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes to Addihockey's idea. --SEPTActaMTA8235 18:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

BTW, this is another potential alternative url: glocal.wikimedia.org :)--Pharos 20:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 6: Generic solution covering all retired wikis: archive.wikimedia.org

This is a generic problem. There are many "temporary project" or "fixed life" wikis (not necessarily a bad thing, they provide focus). There will be more in future.

Maybe a subdomain "archive.wikimedia.org" could be set up, with old closed wikis marked as non-editable (so users can amend their prefs eg to kill or allow email from readers) and moved intact to subdomains of this, and links to archived wikis and their raw data dumps available on archive.wikimedia.org's front page? So when it's no longer in use, "ten" would end up at "ten.archive.wikimedia.org" (with the old domain redirected) and be readily located by anyone interested in future. FT2 10:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

• No. --SEPTActaMTA8235 18:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Option 7: Procrastinate a decision

Not a real option, sorry, feel free to edit this, but could not help it. As others pointed out, the events are not over yet. Why? Because 2011 is the year of wiki10. I think that setting up this wiki and celebrating the birthday back in January brought some fresh air to our communities. I (for instance) revived my blog with related posts, I felt prompted to edit more and wish to join a meetup as soon as possible. SJ's Wikilove blog might also spring from this. IMHO we should still push chapters and communities to name every event this year a wiki10 event, providing merchandise and assistance if needed. This would also give us good additional media exposure. --Elitre 13:20, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Elitre: I already said this above and in my email to the list, but just in case I wasn't clear enough: I don't mean we have to do something right now. I just want to start planning so we know what we do want to do with tenwiki when the events are over. Making a plan doesn't mean we have to act immediately. Steven Walling at work 16:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I know, but what I really wanted to underline is that we are planning something as if the project was about to end, instead of putting more effort in keeping it going for the months to come. Plus, I do appreciate that WMF wants our advice about how to handle this and similar wikis in the future, but if we were to choose option 5 or 6, this would require support from the entire WM community, so we should discuss the matter with them too. You might want to leave a message on foundation-l and Meta Wikimedia Forum. --Elitre 18:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Good points about the individual options. I forwarded the message to Foundation-l yesterday, but hadn't posted to Meta's general Forum yet. Will do now. Steven Walling at work 21:48, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Leave it until the end of the year. --SEPTActaMTA8235 18:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Announcing yet another wp10 event

Which is not really an event, rather a project about "books"/collections' developing with our partner PediaPress on it.wiki. Details here. Wish us luck! --Elitre 08:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Closing down

I am requesting that this wiki is closed. You may vote at meta:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure of wikipedia ten. Ebe123 20:00, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Per the above poll, I've requested closing the wiki. Thanks! Steven Walling at work 00:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)